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Jake Maverick
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Posted - 2012.09.12 12:18:00 -
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Who would throw down some isk to donate PLEX for his family?
As originally posted on my facebook page:
I do not often post serious things... But here goes one:
A Man who plays Eve online (that game I sometimes pester your inboxes with stuff about it) was killed in the Benghazi attacks, leaving behind his wife and children.
CCP (The company that makes the game) Had once done a PLEX drive in order to donate money to help the victims of the Fukushima disaster, This basically lets us players convert the massive quantities of ingame currency we have into a something called a PLEX which is worth approx 15-19 dollars each depending on how you look at it, Or buy the PLEX for cash (as we normally would to sell them in the game) and then rather than use them to pay for a month of game time... donate this PLEX to the cause whereupon CCP would donate the money.
I would like to put forth an open letter to CCP asking as an Eve online player with buckets of in game currency to convert, to start another PLEX drive. This Time, in Honor of Sean Smiths family for their sake and anyone else affected by the attack.
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/09/12/ex-csm-member-vile-rat-killed-in-benghazi-attacks/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19562692 |

Jake Maverick
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Posted - 2012.09.12 12:32:00 -
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Atedar Kerane wrote:Not to be disrespectful, but a pile of money is not going to bring him back.
Money is collected to help people in situations where property has been damaged, in order to get their life back on track. This proposal is way off
It's not just a Pile of Money.... It's a showing of support for this mans family.
This Man was on the CSM... He took time from his life to make our favorite Game better for us... time which was devoted to us instead of to his family.
Now his Family is without him, who is to say how they will get by without him? Don't we owe his family a debt? |

Jake Maverick
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Posted - 2012.09.12 13:34:00 -
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Kintaro Kinoshito wrote:
I totally agree, its the least we could do, to help as much as we can. In fact I will sell myself and donate all the plex to said fund. That should be 80 plex to start the ball rolling
That is incredibly generous, I wish I could come up with that kind of scratch as well. Hopefully CCP will back us ^_^ |

Jake Maverick
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Posted - 2012.09.12 13:38:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jake Maverick wrote:Don't we owe his family a debt? No. But that's why it would be a meaningful gesture: because it's not some automatic repayment of dues owed, but done out of respect for him and as a statement in his memory.
I agree actually... I didn't quite mean it like that. I meant , as human beings, not eve avatars, we owe them our gratitude and support not just because of what he did for our community, but also the respect and dignity, borne from our own humanity. It is the best way we can say to His family, that they have the support of our (Eve) Family :) |

Jake Maverick
Gallente Volunteer Defense Forces Tribal Band
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Posted - 2012.09.12 13:45:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Atedar Kerane wrote:Not to be disrespectful, but a pile of money is not going to bring him back.
Money is collected to help people in situations where property has been damaged, in order to get their life back on track. This proposal is way off While OP's idea comes from a nice feeling I have to agree with Atedar. It would be a better mark of respect from our community if that isk/money could be used for a special mark of respect for Sean. I'm still in such disgust of this horrible news I can't think of anything meaningful enough representing the values of this great man.
A monument sounds like a nice idea too actually... Even if it were like an ingame thing. Like the statues outside some stations in eve.
Even if CCP has some (legal?) reasons why they would not or could not do the PLEX fund (We could still organize our own thing outside of EvE Mechanics to donate real money) I am sure everyone would agree a Memorial statue to Vile Rat outside his home station would be a lovely thing. |

Jake Maverick
Gallente Volunteer Defense Forces Tribal Band
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:00:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:
I think this is an odd tone to set for a donation only because there are other EVE players that pass away every year I am sure. Although this stands out in many ways, I think that it's an odd tone for CCP to do this for one person.
I am sure that a real fund will be created to help with this and I'm sure that it will go to the right people that they can get real money into their hands to help that family without the need for CCP/PLEX to get involved.
I agree it is sort of odd, But this is someone who took time from his real life to make our whole community greater not just one corp or alliance, but all of Eve and as an Eve community, not a Goon community, or a Tribal Band community or a -A- community.
We should do what we can for his family. I never met him in game or out, but I Know he dedicated time and effort for my enjoyment. He and his family have my respect and are in my prayers, but I still want to help them. I know personally I can come up with a lot more cash via PLEX than I can via my bank account at the moment, but the only legal way for me to do that and not lose my character whom I've loved to play as for years... is to get CCP's support, and so for me and others in my situation who can do more for this mans family with CCP's help than we can without it, and want to, We appeal for the PLEX fund.
I also understand and so should everyone who has said they support this... there may be issues that CCP would not be able to overcome to make it happen, and we'd understand. But it would be good to get their weigh in on the subject anyway :D
That said if a real life fund does get set up, I hope it will be linked here so we can still do what we can with that. |

Jake Maverick
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:30:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:So, you are saying that it's OK if 5 EVE Players died simultaneously in the same incident. And being mentioned in Press Releases by name by Hillary Clinton, the Sec. of State ? Nah.....just an ordinary passing. Nothing to see here.  I'm saying that when you have a national disaster in a country such as Haiti, Japan, and so forth where millions of lives are affected and completely disrupted, that something like PLEX4HAITI feels a lot more provocative. I don't know that much about how the US Government takes care of employees lost in the line of fire like this, but I am sure he will also be well taken care of by them. Also, CCP getting directly involved in something like this becomes political with religious undertones as well, which I think is absolutely stupid; but inevitably stupidity begets stupidity. Although courage is the more valorous value. Please don't twist my words, thanks.
The US gov't will of course take care of the family. That's one of my countries few redeeming qualities. This is not about relieving Hardship, this is about solidarity with the family.
Look at it this way, He used his time in life to impact our game and the way we make isk, at the expense of time he could have been with his family.
We have an opportunity to reverse the equation, and turn the Time we spend in game, into support for his family at the expense of isk
By doing so we show his family, in a way that matters in real life (not just pixels on a server) that we support them and honor his memory.
CCP says Eve is real... let's help them put our isk where their mouth is.
Finally, as for religious/political implications. We all understand if this will prevent CCP from getting involved. Everyone knows a company cannot afford to have a public political opinion... But until they let us know their stance we will continue to ask :D |

Jake Maverick
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:47:00 -
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Tahm Cruise wrote:Wait a sec.. Plex for someone who sanctioned scamming, supercap ship theft through a fake Goonswarm 3rd party middle hand, The Mittani himself was the 3rd party I believe. Also Goonswarm recruitment fee scams and various other types of scams plus grief play?
No man.. no. Not a penny for a guy like that.
His Eve actions have no bearing on what kind of a man he was in real life. Eve is a game where behind the mask of the anonymous we do w/e we want for the sake of the game. Without folks to do this kind of thing the game would stagnate and be uninteresting as there is only BARELY a story line to follow. we write the story and the story needs villains, You cannot hold someone accountable IRL for things they do in a game, so even if he DID do any of those things.. it means nothing to me.
What matters is that when it comes down to life outside the magic internet spaceship box he was a good man serving his country and our community. FOR THAT and for that alone, we honor his memory.
If you need an example of why internet spaceships don't actually matter... Look at the second response to this thread... I am HBC, and a member of -A- (we are -10 to each other) was the first guy to pledge support regardless of what we would do to each other inside eves mechanics. This is the kind of thing that helps me keep my faith in humanity, in the face of Embassies being bombed...
Please remember to separate spaceships from life, for your own sanity's sake :) |

Jake Maverick
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Posted - 2012.09.12 14:53:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:Jake Maverick wrote: Now his Family is without him, who is to say how they will get by without him? Don't we owe his family a debt?
No. We owe them nothing. We owe him nothing. May be perceived as harsh, but it's true. If people want to donate to make themselves feel better then that's an individual choice, but don't play the debt/guilt card.
I apologize for the wording, did not intend to play a debt/guilt card. As you can see before today I hardly posted about anything at all. I never had a thing that I cared enough to post much about. But the key word is "care" That is just how I feel, I feel a personal responsibility to do something. I am just asking for others that feel that way to let CCP know we want their help to do something for this family. We have no hard feelings towards those that do not feel that way, please do not have hard feelings towards us I don't intend to make anyone feel "guilty" =( |

Jake Maverick
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Posted - 2012.09.12 15:07:00 -
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Darth Bri wrote:*snip*
EDIT: Sorry to remove your post but I have moderated the post you quoted and so in turn, I had to moderate yours. Please feel free to put something else in this space that isn't related to a moderated post - ISD Type40.
Thank you ISD for fixing the thread!
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Jake Maverick
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Posted - 2012.09.12 15:14:00 -
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Merlin Centarii wrote:I don't quite care if you believe in this cause or not. At the end of the day thats your decision. Just show me where i can help, because i knew him and because i can. Enough said.
I wish I could like this post more than once |

Jake Maverick
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Posted - 2012.09.12 15:42:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:To be honest, I suspect whatever life insurance he had would far surpass anything we might give.
I think a better application of money from the community would be to donate to a scholarship fund or some charity that meant something to the man. Honor his memory by making a difference in his name, rather than simply handing his family a check that they (hopefully) don't need.
edit: Perhaps someone who knows the family could determine whether they were in need of the small bit of financial assistance we could provide.
That is quite possible, maybe even probable that w/e we do pales in comparison financially. But to beat on the phrase "It's the thought that counts" a system generated check holds far less intrinsic value than anything we might do as a group of people doing something from the heart.
A college fund for his children, a donation to a charity in his honor... anything, any gesture, we can make as a group. Even the show of willingness in this thread, shows we feel for his family and care about them. And that's what it's about.
But whatever we do it can't start (at least not with PLEX) without CCP's backing. If they cannot back it, we'll find another way to help, but in the end, I feel it's the meaning behind the action that matters more than the action in this case. |

Jake Maverick
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:17:00 -
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Qorvis Communications wrote:Scooter McCabe wrote:snip for brevity US Foreign Service diplomats and their families are covered in a variety of ways beyond traditional insurance. Perhaps Goonswarm and/or Something Awful (of which VR was a moderator) can organize something on their side of the fence, rather than the EVE community at large. While we can all agree to step back and recognize this RL event for what it was and respect and honor a man who gave more than his full share of devotion to his country, this doesn't fit the intent or purpose of previous PLEX drives. It should be noted that he was working directly for the U.S. gov't, and it would be an imposition on non-US players to participate in something so fraught with political and religious overtones.
We are an internet community, we shirked the constraints of our respective counties borders just to play a game, we can do it to do some good.
CCP does not have to burden themselves with political implications if enough of us (as citizens of the internet, regardless of what countries borders we log in from) show that we wish to do some good. As long as laws allow, CCP would be supporting our global communities desires, not the desires of any government or religion. I do not ask them to take any political stance, societal or...whatever the proper "al" word is for religions... stance.
I am just asking them to (if they can do so) open the legal isk->money machine so we can try to to do a little good for a family suffering. |

Jake Maverick
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:35:00 -
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Qorvis Communications wrote:
Because mainly: It is something directly from the Eve Community. And secondly, Some of us have plenty of isk but no money. However I am thankful to you for providing the link to the SA page, as I would like to take advantage of the opportunity to help there as well. |

Jake Maverick
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Posted - 2012.09.13 14:20:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Others would be willing to donate, but I'm afraid some of us won't if Mittani is the one running it(I don't find him to be a trustworthy or mature enough individual). Would be better if it was an official thing run by CCP. I for one could not think of a more trustworthy individual than Vile rat's personal friend of six years and accomplished CSM chairman. Only CCP can convert PLEX to $$$ MONEY. That's how the donations work. When you're giving away your PLEX to CCP for causes the people aren't getting free game time, they're getting $$$ that other players bought the PLEX with then they're giving it to those causes. Only CCP can run a PLEX drive. Anyone else you see running a PLEX drive in the name of the death another player should probably be reported immediately.
I do not think they meant to imply that GS or Mittani were going to run a PLEX drive we all know only CCP has the legal PLEX - > $ Button. I think the reference was to the real money charity that is being organized by Somethingawful. |

Jake Maverick
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Posted - 2012.09.13 14:54:00 -
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I know lots of people are watching this thread, so I am going to put this here
http://themittani.com/media/memoriam
It's beautifully done.
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Jake Maverick
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Posted - 2012.09.13 15:59:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:Jake Maverick wrote: I do not think they meant to imply that GS or Mittani were going to run a PLEX drive we all know only CCP has the legal PLEX - > $ Button. I think the reference was to the real money charity that is being organized by Somethingawful.
I think it should be emphasized then if Mittani/GS were to REALLY scam you in real life for money (especially on something like this) they would be VERY legally responsible for their actions and get severely screwed. So, although I'm sure they're going to do the job as legitimately as possible for fund-raising real money, the reality is they're not going to scam you because they're real people with real lives that they don't want ruined.
I agree, and I intend to donate to this when it goes up. Just saying I thought that was what they were referring to |

Jake Maverick
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Posted - 2012.09.17 20:55:00 -
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As requested OP has been edited to include the following Link.
http://www.youcaring.com/fundraiser_details?fundraiser_id=9332&url=benefitforseansmithsfamily
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